The Future of Humanity by Krishnamurti & David Bohm

Author:Krishnamurti & David Bohm
Language: eng
Format: mobi
Published: 2016-04-01T22:00:00+00:00

Brockwood Park 2nd Conversation With Prof D Bohm

20th June 1983 The Future Of Mankind

J.Krishnamurti: Sir, last time we were talking about the future of man. All the psychologists, as far as I can understand, are they really concerned with the future of man? Or are they concerned with the human being conforming to the present society, or going beyond that?

David Bohm: Well I think that most psychologists evidently want the human being to conform to this society, but I think some psychologists, some of whom will be listening to us, are thinking of going beyond that to transform the consciousness of mankind.

JK: Can the consciousness of mankind be changed through time? That is one of the questions we should discuss this evening.

DB: Yes. We have discussed it actually last time and I think that what came out was that with regard to consciousness time is not relevant, that it is a kind of illusion. We discussed the illusion of becoming.

JK: We are saying, aren't we, let's be clear, that the evolution of consciousness is a fallacy.

DB: As through time, right. Though physical evolution is not.

JK: Can we put it this way, much more simply: there is no psychological evolution, or the evolution of the psyche?

DB: Yes. And since the future of mankind depends on the psyche it seems then that the future of mankind is not going to be determined through actions in time.

JK: Time, that's right.

DB: And then that left us the question: what will we do?

JK: Now let's proceed from there. Shouldn't we first distinguish between the brain and the mind?

DB: Yes, well that distinction has been made and it is not clear. Now of course there are several views. One view is say that the mind is just a function of the brain - that is the materialists' view. There is another view which says mind and brain are two different things.

JK: Yes, I think they are two different things.

DB: But there must be...

JK: ...a contact between the two.

DB: Yes.

JK: A relationship between the two.

DB: We don't necessarily imply any separation of the two.

JK: No, first let's see the brain. I am really not an expert on the structure of the brain and all that kind of thing. But one can see within one, one can observe one's own activity of the brain, that it is really like a computer that has been programmed and remembers.

DB: Well certainly a large part of the activity is that way, but one is not certain that all of it is that way.

JK: No. And it is conditioned.

DB: Yes.

JK: Conditioned by past generations, by the society, by the newspapers, by the magazines, by all the activities and pressures from the outside. It is conditioned.

DB: Yes, now what do you mean by this conditioning?

JK: It is programmed, it is made to conform to a certain pattern, lives entirely on the past, modifying itself with the present and going on.

DB: Yes, now we have agreed that some of this conditioning is useful and necessary.

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